diff --git a/imm/Imm.cs b/imm/Imm.cs
index fc776d1..b16f34d 100644
--- a/imm/Imm.cs
+++ b/imm/Imm.cs
@@ -219,9 +219,10 @@ public record class Recorded<T> : Versioned<T>, imm.Imm
 													string dbgExp = default
 													)
 	{
-		return Process( ( old ) => next, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
+		return ProcessWork( ( old ) => next, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
 	}
 
+
 	virtual public T Process( Func<T, T> fn,
 													string reason = "",
 													[CallerMemberName] string dbgName = "",
@@ -230,6 +231,17 @@ public record class Recorded<T> : Versioned<T>, imm.Imm
 													[CallerArgumentExpression("fn")]
 													string dbgExp = default
 													)
+	{
+		return ProcessWork( fn, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
+	}
+
+	virtual public T ProcessWork( Func<T, T> fn,
+													string reason,
+													string dbgName,
+													string dbgPath,
+													int dbgLine,
+													string dbgExp
+													)
 	{
 		var orig = ( T )this;
 
@@ -306,7 +318,7 @@ public record class Timed<T> : Recorded<T>, imm.Imm
 													string dbgExp = default
 													)
 	{
-		return Process( ( old ) => next, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
+		return ProcessWork( ( old ) => next, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
 	}
 
 	public U ProcessFn<U>( Func<U, U> fn,
@@ -319,7 +331,7 @@ public record class Timed<T> : Recorded<T>, imm.Imm
 													)
 													where U : T
 	{
-		return (U)ProcessFn( fn, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
+		return (U)ProcessWork( fn as Func<T, T>, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
 	}
 
 	override public T Process( Func<T, T> fn,
@@ -330,15 +342,14 @@ public record class Timed<T> : Recorded<T>, imm.Imm
 													[CallerArgumentExpression("fn")]
 													string dbgExp = default
 													)
-													=> ProcessFn( fn, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
+													=> ProcessWork( fn, reason, dbgName, dbgPath, dbgLine, dbgExp );
 
-	public T ProcessFn( Func<T, T> fn,
-													string reason = "",
-													[CallerMemberName] string dbgName = "",
-													[CallerFilePath] string dbgPath = "",
-													[CallerLineNumber] int dbgLine = 0,
-													[CallerArgumentExpression("fn")]
-													string dbgExp = default
+	virtual public T ProcessWork( Func<T, T> fn,
+													string reason,
+													string dbgName,
+													string dbgPath,
+													int dbgLine,
+													string dbgExp
 													)
 	{
 		var orig = ( T )this;
diff --git a/ser/XmlFormatter2.cs b/ser/XmlFormatter2.cs
index ef93fb1..44f0455 100644
--- a/ser/XmlFormatter2.cs
+++ b/ser/XmlFormatter2.cs
@@ -954,10 +954,6 @@ namespace lib
 			}
 
 
-			if( typeof(res.Ref).IsAssignableFrom( type ) )
-			{
-				log.info( $"Ref time!" );
-			}
 
 			// THIRD create a new object
 			{